Feb 07 2007

Global warming is happening. Let’s deal with it

All the Conservatives, neocons and shills for the oil companies who are denying global warming can go suck on an exhaust pipe.

Frankly, I’m embarassed so many Conservatives in Canada are still shouting from the rooftops (or slightly less noisily on the Blogging Tories forum) that global warming is all just propaganda and junk science. The funny thing is that our Conservative Prime Minister has belatedly signed on to the cause, but far too many of the party membership seems stuck in a 2002-era time warp.

Get with the program, people. We’ve got a planet to save.

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15 responses so far

15 Responses to “Global warming is happening. Let’s deal with it”

  1. on 07 Feb 2007 at 7:43 am

    hey, buddy, if you belive everything you’ve heard about Global warming, climate change and green house gases……..I have a really nice piece of ocean-front property for sale in Regina.

    All the dissenting scientists that are popping up like dandelions now days never said the earth didn’t warm up a bit. What they are saying, and if you were not a clueless member of the chattering masses, is that green house gasses have not been…..wait for it…..scientifically linked to the small rise in global temperature. In fact, they are saying that regular fluctuations in global temperature is a perfectly normal occurrance and that there isn’t any , ummm, how should I put this, Accurate data or the means to properly model the data to date. surprised?..100% true. go look it up…

    Think about it, dude…..did the TV weatherman tell you exactly what the weather was going to be in late feburary?…I mean exactly?
    No, he didn’t because he can’t…reason being is that the VERY VERY best a meteorologist can do, even with a super-computer, is maybe, just maybe 5 days…and be anywhere near accurate. So, again, Dude, how can those same guys tell us with even SMALLEST bit of accuracy, what the weather is gonna do in 2050?

    Give up?….you should…because they can’t…nope…..nada…big fat zip.

    So you go run around T.O. like chicken little all you want if it makes you feel better. But don’t be dragging the Canadian economy down the sewer with you.

  2. on 07 Feb 2007 at 7:48 am

    Global warming is really becoming an issue. Will you help spread the word?
    I am helping to spread Global Warming Awareness at the international initiative http://www.GlobalWarming.org.in

  3. on 07 Feb 2007 at 8:28 am

    Nice to see that a few conservatives are putting Science over politics. Now, if we could only get rid of the few idiots like Inhofe (US Republican) who still say it’s a Liberal Plot to get more people to watch the Weather Channel (or so he said on Fox News the other day).

  4. on 07 Feb 2007 at 11:33 am

    Well, soneone isn’t drinking the kool-aid…

  5. on 07 Feb 2007 at 11:57 am

    You are shouting into a hurricane, my friend. I am glad there are a few Tories who live in the real world. By leaving this comment, I will have confirmed that you have lost your senses, among your fellow Tory bloggers, but I thought you should have some support.

  6. on 07 Feb 2007 at 12:23 pm

    I too believe that global warming is happening but sadly that video is not conclusive as it just shows shifting glacier mass. It appears there is some reduction in the ice but it is not a significant amount. I think the depth of the ice is more significant.

    Either way, global warming is not entirely caused by greenhouse gases and never will be.
    (real conservative)

  7. on 07 Feb 2007 at 1:56 pm

    or maybe its not . .

    Wed, February 7, 2007

    Simple truth about warming


    “I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

    — Leo Tolstoy


    Clearly, Tolstoy — the great Russian novelist — wasn’t writing about man-made global warming, since he predated this relatively recent hysteria. Nevertheless, the quote certainly applies to the global warming debate — or should I say the climate change consensus?

    The latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) summary released last Friday inflates the language of doom even as it deflates its predictions of temperature and sea level increases from previous reports.

    The IPCC Climate Change 2007 report predicts world temperatures will possibly rise 1.8C to 4C (3.25 to 7.2F) from 1990 levels to the year 2100 and that sea levels might rise 28 to 43 cm (11 to 17 inches).

    Just six years ago, however, the picture looked much bleaker.

    The 2001 IPCC report predicted that from 1990 to 2100 temperatures would rise 1.4C to 5.8C causing sea levels to rise by .09 to .88 metres (3.5 to 34.6 inches or 9 to 88 cm).

    In other words, in just six years, predictions about temperature increases have plummeted by one-third and predictions about sea-level increases at the high end have been cut in half!

    At that rate, by my calculations, we’ll just have to wait for two more reports and the IPCC will be predicting no measurable increases at all!

    Incidentally, many climate scientists have been saying just that — wait until 2025, when it’s expected the sun’s output may wane, leading to global cooling.

    Another measurement has had to be slashed by one-third as well.

    In 2001, the UN body said the global net effect of human activities since 1750 has been one of warming with radiative forcing of 2.43 watts per square metre.

    Oops. Now they’re saying it’s 1.6 watts per square metre.

    Shouldn’t someone at least be blushing? Shouldn’t they apologize for getting all of this so wrong?

    If a large automobile executive got his predictions wrong by up to 50%, he’d be fired. The IPCC, however, continues to fly around at great cost to the UN and the environment and they stay on board this great gig as long as they continue to tout the party line — that Earth is going to hell, only it’s going to be even hotter.

    What’s most troubling about all of this is the 21-page, much-hyped summary is not referenced at all.

    The science that supposedly backs all of these predictions is nowhere to be found and won’t be released until April and May.

    This is problematic on many fronts, but as past IPCC reports have shown, the summary is not written by the scientists whose names appear on the cover, it’s written by politicians and bureaucrats.

    Indeed, some of those scientists after the fact have complained their work has been grossly misrepresented.

    In 2001, two scientists complained publicly their work was misrepresented by those who wrote the summary, including MIT physicist Richard Lindzen.

    In June 1996, Dr. Frederick Seitz, past-president of the National Academy of Sciences and president emeritus of Rockefeller University, wrote with regard to the 1995 IPCC report: “I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer-review process than the events that led to this IPCC report.”

    He continued: “This report is not what it appears to be — it is not the version approved by the contributing scientists listed on the title page.”

    In other words, past IPCC reports have proven to be fraudulent and yet, to paraphrase Tolstoy, they have been woven into the public policy fabric of our lives.

  8. on 07 Feb 2007 at 1:58 pm

    “All the Conservatives, neocons and shills for the oil companies who are denying global warming can go suck on an exhaust pipe”

    And there is the problem with this issue. One side is so self-righteous and smug that they can’t stand any rational debate.

    And before you say “HUNDREDS” of scientists agree….thousands disagree with the findings of the UN.

    There are many of us that actually do alot of investigating into this issue because we want the truth, unlike many who just base their belief on what they’re told in the Media.

    We’re used to being disrespected, but I won’t stoop to that level and tell you to suck on anything.

    BTW, although your video is of such a short time frame, it does demostrate shrinking and growing and the shape is all over the map, but it doesn’t really show when each years snapshot was taken. And you are aware that there are active undersea volcanoes in the arctic ocean that maybe just maybe might have some influence on it, right?

  9. on 07 Feb 2007 at 2:05 pm

    Yes, global warming is happening. That’s why I, as I type 500m from the shores of Lake Ontario, am not encased in about 500 feet of snow and ice, as I would have been were there no ‘climate change’ since the last ice age.


  10. on 07 Feb 2007 at 2:11 pm

    Ok I’ll ask you the same question I ask liberals. What personal sacrifices are you planning to make to save the planet.

  11. on 07 Feb 2007 at 3:01 pm

    So the fact that scientists were proclaiming global cooling as “fact” in the 1970’s doesn’t make you questions this latest scare at all? Be skeptical, its healthy.

    The Kyoto treaty isn’t going to cut emissions anyway. The foundations of global warming are flawed, i.e. the hockey stick graph which was proven completely false.

    You want to believe in global warming, that’s fine. But keep an open mind about it, its a theory, not a fact.

    Correlation does not causation make.

  12. on 07 Feb 2007 at 3:33 pm

    Most of us so called deniers do not say the planet is not currently getting warmer. What we are saying is that it is most likely a natural thing. The history of the earth is constant climate change. We are also saying that it is unlikely we will be able to do anything about it and that Kyoto won’t do anything as it currently stands. It is much better to redirect any resources into helping the people effected than to waste money trying to stop something that may reverse itself.

  13. on 07 Feb 2007 at 3:37 pm

    You work on saving the planet, I’ll work on helping my sweetie do the dishes.

  14. on 07 Feb 2007 at 4:11 pm

    I agree. There is little to be gained by resisting the notion that the planet is currently warming. It just makes you look like an apologist for the oil industry. You won’t convince anyone by taking that stand.

    What is important is to inject some reason into our approaches to the problem. We are going to do something to address greenhouse emissions, as well as our excessive reliance on fossil fuels. Let’s just make sure that the things we do make economic sense.

  15. on 07 Feb 2007 at 4:25 pm

    I suppose you dismiss all people of Dr Timothy Bell’s calibre who attempt to study climate change using evidence and scientific reasoning rather than scaremongering?


    It is a bit unfortunate Prime Minister Harper is going down this road, but politics is not science and deflecting a manipulated public opinion avalanche is probably not the best way to achieve his political goals.

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