Jan 09 2009

Globe and Post: “Canada has to support the right of a democratic country to defend itself”

The proud supporters of Hamas, including so-called “peace activists” formally allied with religious extremists, seem to own our streets in Vancouver and other Canadian cities of late. It’s not all bad news; I joined a protest Thursday evening in solidarity with Israel as it continues to bring the war to Hamas’ home turf.

I’m not entirely convinced of the utility of a “rally” mostly confined to the interior of a large synagogue in the night-time on a relatively poorly lit stretch of road on Oak Street, without the kind of buzz that would bring in more spectacular media coverage. Still, it was good for morale for a community that in some ways is feeling isolated. One of the best lines of the evening came from the last speaker: “Those who talk about the ‘cycle of violence’ are just too lazy to differentiate the pyromaniac and the firefighter.” I also liked that several speakers pointed out that the fight was against Hamas, not the Palestinian people, who are themselves suffering from the thuggish regime.

Not quite sure what the Palestinian contingent I’d seen at previous protests was up to by hanging out politely and quietly on a bench towards the back.

Good to see that a consensus seems to be coming together for Canada’s political leaders. I’m liking Iggy’s statement earlier on Thursday: “Canada has to support the right of a democratic country to defend itself.” Much more praise for the embattled democracy here. Even the Bloc is onside. What’s the pro-Hamas side going to do now that they can’t blame the Bush-lite Harper regime for Canada’s stance?

So sad for NDP clubs across Canada, set to become the default stomping grounds of Islamofascist-sympathizers across Canada. Ah, well. Thanks to Taliban Jack, the party was on its way there already.

Sounds familiar. If I didn’t know better, I’d say he’d been reading my blog.

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14 Responses to “Globe and Post: “Canada has to support the right of a democratic country to defend itself””

  1. notinournameon 09 Jan 2009 at 1:52 pm

    And this is the reality which you are desperate not to discuss. Here’s longtime middle east correspondant Robert Fisk

    “So once again, Israel has opened the gates of hell to the Palestinians. Forty civilian refugees dead in a United Nations school, three more in another. Not bad for a night’s work in Gaza by the army that believes in “purity of arms”. But why should we be surprised?

    What happened was not just shameful. It was a disgrace. Would war crime be too strong a description? For that is what we would call this atrocity if it had been committed by Hamas. So a war crime, I’m afraid, it was. After covering so many mass murders by the armies of the Middle East—by Syrian troops, by Iraqi troops, by Iranian troops, by Israeli troops—I suppose cynicism should be my reaction. But Israel claims it is fighting our war against “international terror”. The Israelis claim they are fighting in Gaza for us, for our Western ideals, for our security, for our safety, by our standards. And so we are also complicit in the savagery now being visited upon Gaza.”

  2. jnarveyon 09 Jan 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Apparently, pro-Hamas supporters have no need for critical thinking or their own opinions, since they all seem to rely so heavily on “cut and paste” to form a mediocre comment.

    I will happily delete the next comment that uses this tactic. It’s getting tedious.

    Robert Fisk is a fine writer. But I’d also say he’s drawn the wrong conclusion. Indeed, blaming the entire Western world every time an Israeli shell kills civilians Hamas has put in the crossfire seems awfully incoherent.

  3. notinournameon 09 Jan 2009 at 2:22 pm

    And apparently the whatever Israel does is right crowd wants us to believe that Amnesty International, UN officials on the ground in Gaza and the Red Cross are all wrong when they all say that Israel is deliberately targetting a civilian population and that they are making worse an already existing humanatarian crisis. No, instead we should listen to their claims and perhaps that of the IDF, or Israeli government officials. You can go believing these fiction if you wish, You can go one deluding yourself into beieving the idea of “purity of arms” or that an aggresive occupying force with the forth largest armed forces in the world bombards a captive population and its “self defence” or its justified to block medical supplies to a population. In the end these fictions simply provide you with the needed rationale to defend policies of mass suffering, death and killing. You end up externalising evil and avoiding forever dealing with the roots of the issues. You feel self righteous but in the end you pave the road for a disastrous future for both Israelis and Palestinians

  4. jnarveyon 09 Jan 2009 at 2:32 pm

    “You can go one deluding yourself into beieving…”

    You sanctimonious jackass. Go find another blog to spam.

    Let’s get the facts straight: There had been no occupation of Gaza since 2005, until Hamas decided to invite the Israelis in with 450 rocket attacks in the days leading up to the army going in, not to mention the rocket attacks over the past 8 years or so.

    To paraphrase and Egyptian TV talk show guest, what has Hamas’ intifada gotten for the Palestinians? How much “occupied territory” have they liberated?

    Hamas’ suicidal strategy is what is really killing the rights and aspirations of Palestinians.

  5. notinournameon 09 Jan 2009 at 2:56 pm

    In reality Israel still controls border acess to and from Gaza, they control airspace and they reserve for themselves the right the right to physically and financially isolate Gaza from the outside world. The idea that there is no occupation is in fact neither tenable legally or in fact in reality. The Israeli human rights campaigner calls Gaza the “worlds largest open air prison”. More so, there are no rockets coming from the West Bank yet Israel continues to expand the infrustructure of occupation, extending settlements and commiting human rights violation documented by every single human rights organisation who have examined the fighting. They fired on and killed a non violent protestor last week. You don’t want to deal with any of this. You apologise and excuse the war crimes and massacres been commited right now by Israel, dehumanising Palestinian lives in the process. What you avoid dealing with is a larger moral truth. That peace can be made between equals, not occupiers and the occupied or slaveholders and their slaves. Unfortunately, the stuff that you’re writing is part of the problem

  6. jnarveyon 09 Jan 2009 at 3:07 pm

    “In reality Israel still controls border acess to and from Gaza…”

    Not quite true. Looked at a map, lately? Why not protest the Egyptians for keeping their side of the border closed? That might raise some uncomfortable questions about the Egyptians wanting to close off the border to Islamic extremists that pose a threat to their own government.

    In any case, the border wouldn’t be an issue if Hamas rocket fire ended. When the violence stops, the international community can take Israel to task for not tearing down its walls and forts. In the meantime, a militarized border at least keeps the suicide bombers out, even if it can’t stop the rockets.

  7. Dagon 09 Jan 2009 at 3:20 pm

    Looked for you last night, but no see.

    On the other hand, I did see around a thousand happy and joyous people attending a rally for Life.

    I always laugh when I think of “Robert Fisq.” That dhimmi doesn’t get it, any more than the Anglican dhimmi in attendance last evening spinning dhimmi cob-webs. Faasiq.!? I laugh.

  8. jnarveyon 09 Jan 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Sorry I couldn’t join you. I was at the rally on Oak last night. Nice event. Perhaps I’ll see you around this weekend.

  9. notinournameon 09 Jan 2009 at 7:07 pm

    “Perhaps I’ll see you around this weekend.”

    Hitting the street with your contingent of two “counterprotestors” are we?

  10. jnarveyon 09 Jan 2009 at 8:12 pm

    Yeah, might see you there. It’s not too late to join the cause. I’ll save an Israeli flag for you, yes?

  11. Dagon 09 Jan 2009 at 10:40 pm

    “Rally of Life,” as I put it, was at the synagogue.

    We seldom get a thousand people at our weekly meetings. There’s still hope.

  12. Earnest Canuckon 10 Jan 2009 at 3:57 am

    Yo, No-Name: I am one of Narvey’s lonely souls, and proud to belong to his anti-fascist entourage as such. Admittedly I consider marching about and chanting in the streets to be kinda nerdly and unhelpful; so when I come down to one of JN’s “counters”, it is less to make up numbers for “our side” and more to gawk at the free Canadians boldly agitating for Hamas/Hezbollah theocratic totalitarianism.

    My view is, anyone who claps for Gaza’s death-cult rocketeer “government” must really hate Palestinians, given that Hamas can never deliver them independence, self-government, peace or prosperity, and in fact does not want to — what Hamas wants is sharia and Jew-killing. They ain’t *secretive* about it, either, NumbNutsName; so when I see you advocating for ’em in Robson Square, I won’t “counter-demonstrate” — I’ll just suck back a coffee on the sidelines, and mark you down as a public anti-Arabite.

  13. truepeerson 10 Jan 2009 at 10:40 am

    Sure Israel is doing evil, but with a view to avoiding a far greater evil down the road. Why can’t those who are turned silly by the sight of dead bodies come at all to terms with such a tragic world view? Why are they unable to face hard cold human reality for what it is and argue not simply by pointing to dead bodies but with the reality that Israel exists as a military and economic power that the likes of Hamas cannot accept that in any shape or form. Eliminating Israel, ruling by Sharia, is the only thing they can really believe in. Thus they reap a harvest of death from a country defending itself. Of course it’s terrible.

    Still, Israel does wield violence with care. All this worship over the dead comes from people who have no idea of what modern warfare can be like. It’s almost like they are begging the Hamas types to keep going so that one day they too can know what some of us still remember: cities with tens of thousands dead in a night.

    As for numbers on the streets of Canada today: modern people, as they become modern, become less and less devoted to any centralized public scene and more and more involved in the many scenes of our private and productive lives. It will take a lot for most Canadians to see the evil that is parading in public in idiotic self-righteousness as a reason for them too to get involved in the dangerous business of focussing mass attention on a central scene of combat. For now, most just choose to ignore the ethical and intellectual simpletons. They are happy if a few people like Narvey do what has to be done in putting icons of freedom out for those who need such models. There comes a time when we do have to leave our private lives and defend one or another’s freedom in public. But the very nature of freedom is that we become resistant to those who engage in tired old street rituals in the name of showing anger. Marching for more martyrs, more death, in the cause of refusing to acknowledge and come to terms with the reality of Israel, all the while saying you are for peace? Most just want to ignore that kind of idiocy.

    How else to explain that the leading politicians support Israel, as rational and free men do, yes men who can still see the horror of the violence, while there are these Hamashole mobs on the streets? Must be some kind of Jewish-Yankee conspiracy, eh? There couldn’t be any kind of good argument for it, could there?

  14. jnarveyon 10 Jan 2009 at 11:02 am

    Earnest Canuck, excellent suggestion. I’m all for coffee and gawking, plus maybe snapping a few photos. Let it be done. Cheers.

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