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	<title>Comments on: Globe and Post: &#8220;Canada has to support the right of a democratic country to defend itself&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: jnarvey</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2009/01/09/canadian-politicians-support-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-1182</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Earnest Canuck, excellent suggestion. I&#039;m all for coffee and gawking, plus maybe snapping a few photos. Let it be done. Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earnest Canuck, excellent suggestion. I&#8217;m all for coffee and gawking, plus maybe snapping a few photos. Let it be done. Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: truepeers</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2009/01/09/canadian-politicians-support-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-1178</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure Israel is doing evil, but with a view to avoiding a far greater evil down the road. Why can&#039;t those who are turned silly by the sight of dead bodies come at all to terms with such a  tragic world view? Why are they unable to face hard cold human reality for what it is and argue not simply by pointing to dead bodies but with the reality that Israel exists as a military and economic power that the likes of Hamas cannot accept that in any shape or form. Eliminating Israel, ruling by Sharia, is the only thing they can really believe in. Thus they reap a harvest of death from a country defending itself. Of course it&#039;s terrible.

Still, Israel does wield violence with care. All this worship over the dead comes from people who have no idea of what modern warfare can be like. It&#039;s almost like they are begging the Hamas types to keep going so that one day they too can know what some of us still remember: cities with tens of thousands dead in a night.

As for numbers on the streets of Canada today: modern people, as they become modern, become less and less devoted to any centralized public scene and more and more involved in the many scenes of our private and productive lives. It will take a lot for most Canadians to see the evil that is parading in public in idiotic self-righteousness as a reason for them too to get involved in the dangerous business of focussing mass attention on a central scene of combat. For now, most just choose to ignore the ethical and intellectual simpletons. They are happy if a few people like Narvey do what has to be done in putting icons of freedom out for those who need such models. There comes a time when we do have to leave our private lives and defend one or another&#039;s freedom in public. But the very nature of freedom is that we become resistant to those who engage in tired old street rituals in the name of showing anger. Marching for more martyrs, more death, in the cause of refusing to acknowledge and come to terms with the reality of Israel, all the while saying you are for peace? Most just want to ignore that kind of idiocy.

How else to explain that the leading politicians support Israel, as rational and free men do, yes men who can still see the horror of the violence, while there are these Hamashole mobs on the streets? Must be some kind of Jewish-Yankee conspiracy, eh? There couldn&#039;t be any kind of good argument for it, could there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure Israel is doing evil, but with a view to avoiding a far greater evil down the road. Why can&#8217;t those who are turned silly by the sight of dead bodies come at all to terms with such a  tragic world view? Why are they unable to face hard cold human reality for what it is and argue not simply by pointing to dead bodies but with the reality that Israel exists as a military and economic power that the likes of Hamas cannot accept that in any shape or form. Eliminating Israel, ruling by Sharia, is the only thing they can really believe in. Thus they reap a harvest of death from a country defending itself. Of course it&#8217;s terrible.</p>
<p>Still, Israel does wield violence with care. All this worship over the dead comes from people who have no idea of what modern warfare can be like. It&#8217;s almost like they are begging the Hamas types to keep going so that one day they too can know what some of us still remember: cities with tens of thousands dead in a night.</p>
<p>As for numbers on the streets of Canada today: modern people, as they become modern, become less and less devoted to any centralized public scene and more and more involved in the many scenes of our private and productive lives. It will take a lot for most Canadians to see the evil that is parading in public in idiotic self-righteousness as a reason for them too to get involved in the dangerous business of focussing mass attention on a central scene of combat. For now, most just choose to ignore the ethical and intellectual simpletons. They are happy if a few people like Narvey do what has to be done in putting icons of freedom out for those who need such models. There comes a time when we do have to leave our private lives and defend one or another&#8217;s freedom in public. But the very nature of freedom is that we become resistant to those who engage in tired old street rituals in the name of showing anger. Marching for more martyrs, more death, in the cause of refusing to acknowledge and come to terms with the reality of Israel, all the while saying you are for peace? Most just want to ignore that kind of idiocy.</p>
<p>How else to explain that the leading politicians support Israel, as rational and free men do, yes men who can still see the horror of the violence, while there are these Hamashole mobs on the streets? Must be some kind of Jewish-Yankee conspiracy, eh? There couldn&#8217;t be any kind of good argument for it, could there?</p>
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		<title>By: Earnest Canuck</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo, No-Name: I am one of Narvey&#039;s lonely souls, and proud to belong to his anti-fascist entourage as such. Admittedly I consider marching about and chanting in the streets to be kinda nerdly and unhelpful; so when I come down to one of JN&#039;s &quot;counters&quot;, it is less to make up numbers for &quot;our side&quot; and more to gawk at the free Canadians boldly agitating for Hamas/Hezbollah theocratic totalitarianism.

My view is, anyone who claps for Gaza&#039;s death-cult rocketeer &quot;government&quot; must really hate Palestinians, given that Hamas can never deliver them independence, self-government, peace or prosperity, and in fact does not want to -- what Hamas wants is sharia and Jew-killing. They ain&#039;t *secretive* about it, either, NumbNutsName; so when I see you advocating for &#039;em in Robson Square, I won&#039;t &quot;counter-demonstrate&quot; -- I&#039;ll just suck back a coffee on the sidelines, and mark you down as a public anti-Arabite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo, No-Name: I am one of Narvey&#8217;s lonely souls, and proud to belong to his anti-fascist entourage as such. Admittedly I consider marching about and chanting in the streets to be kinda nerdly and unhelpful; so when I come down to one of JN&#8217;s &#8220;counters&#8221;, it is less to make up numbers for &#8220;our side&#8221; and more to gawk at the free Canadians boldly agitating for Hamas/Hezbollah theocratic totalitarianism.</p>
<p>My view is, anyone who claps for Gaza&#8217;s death-cult rocketeer &#8220;government&#8221; must really hate Palestinians, given that Hamas can never deliver them independence, self-government, peace or prosperity, and in fact does not want to &#8212; what Hamas wants is sharia and Jew-killing. They ain&#8217;t *secretive* about it, either, NumbNutsName; so when I see you advocating for &#8216;em in Robson Square, I won&#8217;t &#8220;counter-demonstrate&#8221; &#8212; I&#8217;ll just suck back a coffee on the sidelines, and mark you down as a public anti-Arabite.</p>
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		<title>By: Dag</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rally of Life,&quot; as I put it, was at the synagogue.

We seldom get a thousand people at our weekly meetings. There&#039;s still hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rally of Life,&#8221; as I put it, was at the synagogue.</p>
<p>We seldom get a thousand people at our weekly meetings. There&#8217;s still hope.</p>
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		<title>By: jnarvey</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2009/01/09/canadian-politicians-support-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-1175</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, might see you there. It&#039;s not too late to join the cause. I&#039;ll save an Israeli flag for you, yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, might see you there. It&#8217;s not too late to join the cause. I&#8217;ll save an Israeli flag for you, yes?</p>
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		<title>By: notinourname</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2009/01/09/canadian-politicians-support-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-1174</link>
		<dc:creator>notinourname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Perhaps I’ll see you around this weekend.&quot;

Hitting the street with your contingent of two &quot;counterprotestors&quot; are we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps I’ll see you around this weekend.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hitting the street with your contingent of two &#8220;counterprotestors&#8221; are we?</p>
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		<title>By: jnarvey</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2009/01/09/canadian-politicians-support-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-1177</link>
		<dc:creator>jnarvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I couldn&#039;t join you. I was at the rally on Oak last night. Nice event. Perhaps I&#039;ll see you around this weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I couldn&#8217;t join you. I was at the rally on Oak last night. Nice event. Perhaps I&#8217;ll see you around this weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: Dag</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2009/01/09/canadian-politicians-support-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-1173</link>
		<dc:creator>Dag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looked for you last night, but no see.

On the other hand, I did see around a thousand happy and joyous people attending a rally for Life.

I always laugh when I think of &quot;Robert Fisq.&quot; That dhimmi doesn&#039;t get it, any more than the Anglican dhimmi in attendance last evening spinning dhimmi cob-webs. Faasiq.!? I laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looked for you last night, but no see.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I did see around a thousand happy and joyous people attending a rally for Life.</p>
<p>I always laugh when I think of &#8220;Robert Fisq.&#8221; That dhimmi doesn&#8217;t get it, any more than the Anglican dhimmi in attendance last evening spinning dhimmi cob-webs. Faasiq.!? I laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: jnarvey</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2009/01/09/canadian-politicians-support-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-1172</link>
		<dc:creator>jnarvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In reality Israel still controls border acess to and from Gaza...&quot;

Not quite true. Looked at a map, lately? Why not protest the Egyptians for keeping their side of the border closed? That might raise some uncomfortable questions about the Egyptians wanting to close off the border to Islamic extremists that pose a threat to their own government.

In any case, the border wouldn&#039;t be an issue if Hamas rocket fire ended. When the violence stops, the international community can take Israel to task for not tearing down its walls and forts. In the meantime, a militarized border at least keeps the suicide bombers out, even if it can&#039;t stop the rockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In reality Israel still controls border acess to and from Gaza&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Not quite true. Looked at a map, lately? Why not protest the Egyptians for keeping their side of the border closed? That might raise some uncomfortable questions about the Egyptians wanting to close off the border to Islamic extremists that pose a threat to their own government.</p>
<p>In any case, the border wouldn&#8217;t be an issue if Hamas rocket fire ended. When the violence stops, the international community can take Israel to task for not tearing down its walls and forts. In the meantime, a militarized border at least keeps the suicide bombers out, even if it can&#8217;t stop the rockets.</p>
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		<title>By: notinourname</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2009/01/09/canadian-politicians-support-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-1183</link>
		<dc:creator>notinourname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reality Israel still controls border acess to and from Gaza, they control airspace and they reserve for themselves the right the right to physically and financially isolate Gaza from the outside world. The idea that there is no occupation is in fact neither tenable legally or in fact in reality. The Israeli human rights campaigner calls Gaza the &quot;worlds largest open air prison&quot;. More so, there are no rockets coming from the West Bank yet Israel continues to expand the infrustructure of occupation, extending settlements and commiting human rights violation documented by every single human rights organisation who have examined the fighting. They fired on and killed a non violent protestor last week. You don&#039;t want to deal with any of this. You apologise and excuse  the war crimes and massacres been commited right now by Israel, dehumanising Palestinian lives in the process. What you avoid dealing with  is a larger moral truth. That peace can be made between equals, not occupiers and the occupied or slaveholders and their slaves. Unfortunately, the stuff that you&#039;re writing is part of the problem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reality Israel still controls border acess to and from Gaza, they control airspace and they reserve for themselves the right the right to physically and financially isolate Gaza from the outside world. The idea that there is no occupation is in fact neither tenable legally or in fact in reality. The Israeli human rights campaigner calls Gaza the &#8220;worlds largest open air prison&#8221;. More so, there are no rockets coming from the West Bank yet Israel continues to expand the infrustructure of occupation, extending settlements and commiting human rights violation documented by every single human rights organisation who have examined the fighting. They fired on and killed a non violent protestor last week. You don&#8217;t want to deal with any of this. You apologise and excuse  the war crimes and massacres been commited right now by Israel, dehumanising Palestinian lives in the process. What you avoid dealing with  is a larger moral truth. That peace can be made between equals, not occupiers and the occupied or slaveholders and their slaves. Unfortunately, the stuff that you&#8217;re writing is part of the problem</p>
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