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	<title>Comments on: Why Are Vancouver Police Ticketing the Downtown Eastside Poor?</title>
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		<title>By: Manety charley</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2009/07/24/why-are-vancouver-police-ticketing-the-downtown-eastside-poor/comment-page-1/#comment-3391</link>
		<dc:creator>Manety charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a ticket days after the beaten I couldnt walk...acussed of jay walking ( i was from the internet at Carnegie to take my bus...I had to jump if not the Police car rool over me and insulting without asking what happenes that you cant walk properly....Nice treatment,,,I live now in Burnaby..But i will leave the province as soon as possible...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a ticket days after the beaten I couldnt walk&#8230;acussed of jay walking ( i was from the internet at Carnegie to take my bus&#8230;I had to jump if not the Police car rool over me and insulting without asking what happenes that you cant walk properly&#8230;.Nice treatment,,,I live now in Burnaby..But i will leave the province as soon as possible&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jnarvey</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2009/07/24/why-are-vancouver-police-ticketing-the-downtown-eastside-poor/comment-page-1/#comment-1545</link>
		<dc:creator>jnarvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike. Sorry for the delay (not sure if you&#039;ll see this...).

Let&#039;s be clear: I&#039;m for law and order.

But we&#039;re not just talking about jaywalking (which is an offense carried out frequently on Robson St. or Granville St. without penalty). What Jeff Lee was talking about was smacking the poor of the downtown eastside with whatever trumped-up charge would result in a ticket; no-mercy cop behavior that has no corresponding equivalent in other parts of town. One can surmise why this would be the case.

As for why people might be stumbling around in the middle of the street, I suspect a large number of them are mentally ill. Mental illness is a scourge in the downtown eastside, only exacerbated by the drug problem. If we could have mental health professionals dealing with these people in hospitals, the cops wouldn&#039;t have to deal with them using crude legal methods on the city streets. That&#039;s my solution - hospitals, not jails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike. Sorry for the delay (not sure if you&#8217;ll see this&#8230;).</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be clear: I&#8217;m for law and order.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;re not just talking about jaywalking (which is an offense carried out frequently on Robson St. or Granville St. without penalty). What Jeff Lee was talking about was smacking the poor of the downtown eastside with whatever trumped-up charge would result in a ticket; no-mercy cop behavior that has no corresponding equivalent in other parts of town. One can surmise why this would be the case.</p>
<p>As for why people might be stumbling around in the middle of the street, I suspect a large number of them are mentally ill. Mental illness is a scourge in the downtown eastside, only exacerbated by the drug problem. If we could have mental health professionals dealing with these people in hospitals, the cops wouldn&#8217;t have to deal with them using crude legal methods on the city streets. That&#8217;s my solution &#8211; hospitals, not jails.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jonathan,

I like your post.

My question is this: 

What else can the City and the Police do to get Downtown East residents to follow basic norms of behaviour for their own safety and that of others?

I live in the Downtown Eastside and when driving in the neighbourhood I am CONSTANTLY having to dodge people walking/running into the middle of the street randomly. 

The Georgia Strait recently published an article on the fact that the Downtown Eastside has the most hotspots for pedestrian injuries from being hit by cars.

http://www.straight.com/article-240551/traffic-puts-walkers-risk

Should the City and the Police not take action on this and let people know its OK to jaywalk and get hit by cars, just because they might be poor?

I say no and support the City and the VPD&#039;s efforts to keep the neighbourhood safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jonathan,</p>
<p>I like your post.</p>
<p>My question is this: </p>
<p>What else can the City and the Police do to get Downtown East residents to follow basic norms of behaviour for their own safety and that of others?</p>
<p>I live in the Downtown Eastside and when driving in the neighbourhood I am CONSTANTLY having to dodge people walking/running into the middle of the street randomly. </p>
<p>The Georgia Strait recently published an article on the fact that the Downtown Eastside has the most hotspots for pedestrian injuries from being hit by cars.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.straight.com/article-240551/traffic-puts-walkers-risk" rel="nofollow">http://www.straight.com/article-240551/traffic-puts-walkers-risk</a></p>
<p>Should the City and the Police not take action on this and let people know its OK to jaywalk and get hit by cars, just because they might be poor?</p>
<p>I say no and support the City and the VPD&#8217;s efforts to keep the neighbourhood safe.</p>
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		<title>By: enkidu</title>
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		<dc:creator>enkidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 02:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the poor don&#039;t break the law, they won&#039;t get a ticket they can&#039;t afford to pay.  It seems pretty simple to me, but then, I&#039;m not a llloonie llleft lllib weenie.

Is there something wrong with not wanting to inflict ignorant, pushy, smelly vagrants on tourists?  Personally, I&#039;m all in favour, just don&#039;t ship the worthless bums to Calgary, we have more than enough of our own:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the poor don&#8217;t break the law, they won&#8217;t get a ticket they can&#8217;t afford to pay.  It seems pretty simple to me, but then, I&#8217;m not a llloonie llleft lllib weenie.</p>
<p>Is there something wrong with not wanting to inflict ignorant, pushy, smelly vagrants on tourists?  Personally, I&#8217;m all in favour, just don&#8217;t ship the worthless bums to Calgary, we have more than enough of our own:)</p>
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		<title>By: Van Tax Payer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Van Tax Payer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yah, well...  maybe you do not live near there.  Jay-walking is illegal for a good reason.  Anything to clean up that pig pen is a great idea!  Maybe, some will not return, especially the ones not from Vancouver.  No other city would put up with the same situation.  I hate getting a pick-up parcel notice, as my post office is there.  Needles in the shrubs are nice too.  Maybe I might be able to walk downtown safely during the Olympics - that would be a treat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yah, well&#8230;  maybe you do not live near there.  Jay-walking is illegal for a good reason.  Anything to clean up that pig pen is a great idea!  Maybe, some will not return, especially the ones not from Vancouver.  No other city would put up with the same situation.  I hate getting a pick-up parcel notice, as my post office is there.  Needles in the shrubs are nice too.  Maybe I might be able to walk downtown safely during the Olympics &#8211; that would be a treat.</p>
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		<title>By: Pissedoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pissedoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BC government learnt all it knows from the Chinese. Learnt pretty well by the sound of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BC government learnt all it knows from the Chinese. Learnt pretty well by the sound of it.</p>
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