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		<title>By: jnarvey</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 21:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Advocate, the more important point is that Canadians are too complacent. 

It&#039;s not for the very small Jewish community, or those who call themselves the official representatives (based on, well, their own estimation) to rescue the country from a slow slide into violence and condoned fascism. Rather, Canadians of all backgrounds ought to be mobilized by attacks against the usual canary in the coal mine of civil society. Jews certainly ought to respond more robustly, but they are no doubt hesitant to lead the charge when the majority population of civil libertarians largely remains silent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advocate, the more important point is that Canadians are too complacent. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not for the very small Jewish community, or those who call themselves the official representatives (based on, well, their own estimation) to rescue the country from a slow slide into violence and condoned fascism. Rather, Canadians of all backgrounds ought to be mobilized by attacks against the usual canary in the coal mine of civil society. Jews certainly ought to respond more robustly, but they are no doubt hesitant to lead the charge when the majority population of civil libertarians largely remains silent.</p>
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		<title>By: advocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 21:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the need for louder Jewish voices it seems that Canada&#039;s &quot;official Jews&quot; are too complacent. History tells us there is no future for complacent &quot;official Jews&quot; . In the face of anti-semitism the Jewish community needs active and vocal leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the need for louder Jewish voices it seems that Canada&#8217;s &#8220;official Jews&#8221; are too complacent. History tells us there is no future for complacent &#8220;official Jews&#8221; . In the face of anti-semitism the Jewish community needs active and vocal leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn Urback</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn Urback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put. As you&#039;ve said, legal attempts to silence anti-Semitic rhetoric (via HRCs and the like) will only serve to quarantine the Jewish community, instead of unite Canadians against extremist ideology. It&#039;s just too bad some of the louder Jewish voices haven&#039;t caught on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put. As you&#8217;ve said, legal attempts to silence anti-Semitic rhetoric (via HRCs and the like) will only serve to quarantine the Jewish community, instead of unite Canadians against extremist ideology. It&#8217;s just too bad some of the louder Jewish voices haven&#8217;t caught on.</p>
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		<title>By: truepeers</title>
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		<dc:creator>truepeers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, i think whether or not all bigotry is the same depends on what question you are asking.  If it is a strictly moral question then one bigotry may be just as bad as another and you may well be uncomforatble drawing a moral distinction between them.  But if you ask, why is this group hated and why this one, can you really give the same answer for each? Are Jews really hated for the same reasons some people hate, say, Blacks, or Chinese? Consider, the central document in antisemitism, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Can you think of any other form of racial bigotry in which the targets are regularly accused of organizing a world-wide conspiracy to control the marketplace, politics, etc?

Here&#039;s a good talk on the Protocols, if you&#039;re interested: http://vimeo.com/7704797</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, i think whether or not all bigotry is the same depends on what question you are asking.  If it is a strictly moral question then one bigotry may be just as bad as another and you may well be uncomforatble drawing a moral distinction between them.  But if you ask, why is this group hated and why this one, can you really give the same answer for each? Are Jews really hated for the same reasons some people hate, say, Blacks, or Chinese? Consider, the central document in antisemitism, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Can you think of any other form of racial bigotry in which the targets are regularly accused of organizing a world-wide conspiracy to control the marketplace, politics, etc?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a good talk on the Protocols, if you&#8217;re interested: <a href="http://vimeo.com/7704797" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/7704797</a></p>
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		<title>By: Blazingcatfur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blazingcatfur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tru I look forward to your post on the forum.</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen Rees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truepeers - you are right. You argument does not make sense - to me at any rate. I do not accept that the root of hatred of Jews arises from any historical role. Anti-semitism is no different to any other kind of bigotry or prejudice. Except to the extent that this particular bigotry got built into various state systems - but then so did bigotry against skin colour. Gypsies and Armenians have experienced the same kind of treatment. As have people with disabilities, or gays, or other kinds of oppressed minorities. The common theme is the creation of a stereotype - a refusal to recognize common humanity - and the need for a scapegoat. And you cannot deal with bigots as though they were rational. And all of us have to stand together and denounce all kinds of hate directed at identifiable groups, whether it is based on religion, or ethnicity, or colour or any other characteristic. You may recall that recently some idiots in the UK managed to organize children into physically attacking kids with red hair!

Yes, there are some people who have leapt onto the &quot;anti-zionist&quot; bandwagon who are clearly enjoying the apparent licence that gives them to vent their anti-semitic feelings. But that does not warrant responses that confuse quite legitimate repulsion against some current Israeli government policies with hatred directed at Jews. Any more than revulsion against stoning, whipping and beheading justifies anti Islamic behaviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truepeers &#8211; you are right. You argument does not make sense &#8211; to me at any rate. I do not accept that the root of hatred of Jews arises from any historical role. Anti-semitism is no different to any other kind of bigotry or prejudice. Except to the extent that this particular bigotry got built into various state systems &#8211; but then so did bigotry against skin colour. Gypsies and Armenians have experienced the same kind of treatment. As have people with disabilities, or gays, or other kinds of oppressed minorities. The common theme is the creation of a stereotype &#8211; a refusal to recognize common humanity &#8211; and the need for a scapegoat. And you cannot deal with bigots as though they were rational. And all of us have to stand together and denounce all kinds of hate directed at identifiable groups, whether it is based on religion, or ethnicity, or colour or any other characteristic. You may recall that recently some idiots in the UK managed to organize children into physically attacking kids with red hair!</p>
<p>Yes, there are some people who have leapt onto the &#8220;anti-zionist&#8221; bandwagon who are clearly enjoying the apparent licence that gives them to vent their anti-semitic feelings. But that does not warrant responses that confuse quite legitimate repulsion against some current Israeli government policies with hatred directed at Jews. Any more than revulsion against stoning, whipping and beheading justifies anti Islamic behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: truepeers</title>
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		<dc:creator>truepeers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, and I&#039;m aiming to attend tonight and will hopefully be able to get something up on the blog about it before too long. I don&#039;t know about you, but I think invoking &quot;thin skin&quot; is only to invite the &quot;anti-Zionists&quot; to chant, yes that&#039;s what  Israel is, looking for excuses in Jewish victimhood to justify killing Palestinians. 

Two thoughts about antisemitism: logically, criticism of Israel need not be considered antisemitic, but when you look at the form of much &quot;anti-Zionism&quot;, one only has to substitute the words &quot;dirty Jew&quot; for &quot;Zionazi&quot; to have a statement that is the equivalent of those made against Jews historically.  So while many honestly believe they are not being antisemitic in criticizing Israel, they are in fact simply naive about what motivates them.

That&#039;s why it&#039;s important as you to say to foment a larger discussion about the nature of antisemitism. It really doesn&#039;t have anything to do with an ethnic group. Jews aren&#039;t hated to such an extent for their various ethnic traits, be these East European, North African, Ethiopian, whatever. They are hated as the symbolic carriers of a historical role - that started with the Jews&#039; being the first in the Western tradition to conceptualize the One God, and the necessary idea of chosenness that went with this - a role as &quot;the first&quot;, the keepers of  the law that precedes the &quot;law&quot; of Christianity and the law of Islam. But the resentment of those marked as &quot;the first&quot; today transcends Judaism, as we are regularly reminded with the chants of &quot;Death to Israel, Death to America&quot;. Somehow we need to get people thinking about the problem of freedom and firsntess in history that is the reason for so much anti-Western anti-American anti-Israel resentment today, from those who feel left behind or under-appreciated as believers in a new and better version of the law: in my mind, that is all a variation on the theme of antisemitism. But I&#039;m not sure if this kind of argument makes sense to very many people...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, and I&#8217;m aiming to attend tonight and will hopefully be able to get something up on the blog about it before too long. I don&#8217;t know about you, but I think invoking &#8220;thin skin&#8221; is only to invite the &#8220;anti-Zionists&#8221; to chant, yes that&#8217;s what  Israel is, looking for excuses in Jewish victimhood to justify killing Palestinians. </p>
<p>Two thoughts about antisemitism: logically, criticism of Israel need not be considered antisemitic, but when you look at the form of much &#8220;anti-Zionism&#8221;, one only has to substitute the words &#8220;dirty Jew&#8221; for &#8220;Zionazi&#8221; to have a statement that is the equivalent of those made against Jews historically.  So while many honestly believe they are not being antisemitic in criticizing Israel, they are in fact simply naive about what motivates them.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s important as you to say to foment a larger discussion about the nature of antisemitism. It really doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with an ethnic group. Jews aren&#8217;t hated to such an extent for their various ethnic traits, be these East European, North African, Ethiopian, whatever. They are hated as the symbolic carriers of a historical role &#8211; that started with the Jews&#8217; being the first in the Western tradition to conceptualize the One God, and the necessary idea of chosenness that went with this &#8211; a role as &#8220;the first&#8221;, the keepers of  the law that precedes the &#8220;law&#8221; of Christianity and the law of Islam. But the resentment of those marked as &#8220;the first&#8221; today transcends Judaism, as we are regularly reminded with the chants of &#8220;Death to Israel, Death to America&#8221;. Somehow we need to get people thinking about the problem of freedom and firsntess in history that is the reason for so much anti-Western anti-American anti-Israel resentment today, from those who feel left behind or under-appreciated as believers in a new and better version of the law: in my mind, that is all a variation on the theme of antisemitism. But I&#8217;m not sure if this kind of argument makes sense to very many people&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Blazingcatfur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blazingcatfur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fight against anti-semitism in Canada has deteriorated to the point where it is now simply another front in the Mid-East proxy war,  or as you so aptly put it &quot;a slug-fest between two diasporas&quot;. I perceive it to be  both irretrievably political and an intractable ethnic conflict at this point.  Support for Section 13 (1)? Simply another front with the Canadian Islamic Congress and CAF on one side and the CJC &amp; B&#039;nai Brith on the other, each hoping to use the law to their advantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fight against anti-semitism in Canada has deteriorated to the point where it is now simply another front in the Mid-East proxy war,  or as you so aptly put it &#8220;a slug-fest between two diasporas&#8221;. I perceive it to be  both irretrievably political and an intractable ethnic conflict at this point.  Support for Section 13 (1)? Simply another front with the Canadian Islamic Congress and CAF on one side and the CJC &amp; B&#8217;nai Brith on the other, each hoping to use the law to their advantage.</p>
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