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		<title>By: jnarvey</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2009/12/27/a-history-of-violence-but-whats-the-motive/comment-page-1/#comment-3016</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Erika,

Not sure if you&#039;re reading the same reports I am, but what I&#039;ve seen so far is that Al Queda is claiming this is retaliation for US attacks on their group -- not civilians (unless one accepts the view that even those who are armed to the teeth, trained in killing techniques and united in a formal organizational structure are to be considered civilians for lack of a uniform).

The way I see it, American military forces have aligned themselves with the sovereign government of Yemen to eliminate a den of psychotic terrorists that appear to represent no one except other psycho extremists. That Al Queda claims their next moves are &quot;retaliation&quot; are moot -- they&#039;re not supposed to be plotting attacks on anyone in the first place. These people don&#039;t need to be negotiated with; they need to be put in the ground as fast as possible.

If my neighbor threatened to shoot me and my family, that would be enough proof to me that I was dealing with a dangerous maniac. 

So, yes, assuming there were no cops around to deal with this psycho (which is a pretty unreal assumption, but again, this is all hypothetical), I absolutely would keep my family and friends indoors, away from harm. Next, given the opportunity, I would kill this idiot before he had a chance to do any harm to me or those I love. 

Again, it&#039;s a very unreal sort of scenario (where exactly did the cops go?), but it is absolutely applicable to the fight against terrorists. Those few countries that can prevent attacks on their nationals beyond their own borders will take every opportunity to do so, and this means shooting bad guys.

As a wise friend of mine once said in reference to Al Queda&#039;s buddies in the Taliban, these people don&#039;t want to talk with you. They want to kill you. The sooner we understand this, the quicker we&#039;ll be able to deal with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Erika,</p>
<p>Not sure if you&#8217;re reading the same reports I am, but what I&#8217;ve seen so far is that Al Queda is claiming this is retaliation for US attacks on their group &#8212; not civilians (unless one accepts the view that even those who are armed to the teeth, trained in killing techniques and united in a formal organizational structure are to be considered civilians for lack of a uniform).</p>
<p>The way I see it, American military forces have aligned themselves with the sovereign government of Yemen to eliminate a den of psychotic terrorists that appear to represent no one except other psycho extremists. That Al Queda claims their next moves are &#8220;retaliation&#8221; are moot &#8212; they&#8217;re not supposed to be plotting attacks on anyone in the first place. These people don&#8217;t need to be negotiated with; they need to be put in the ground as fast as possible.</p>
<p>If my neighbor threatened to shoot me and my family, that would be enough proof to me that I was dealing with a dangerous maniac. </p>
<p>So, yes, assuming there were no cops around to deal with this psycho (which is a pretty unreal assumption, but again, this is all hypothetical), I absolutely would keep my family and friends indoors, away from harm. Next, given the opportunity, I would kill this idiot before he had a chance to do any harm to me or those I love. </p>
<p>Again, it&#8217;s a very unreal sort of scenario (where exactly did the cops go?), but it is absolutely applicable to the fight against terrorists. Those few countries that can prevent attacks on their nationals beyond their own borders will take every opportunity to do so, and this means shooting bad guys.</p>
<p>As a wise friend of mine once said in reference to Al Queda&#8217;s buddies in the Taliban, these people don&#8217;t want to talk with you. They want to kill you. The sooner we understand this, the quicker we&#8217;ll be able to deal with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Rathje</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2009/12/27/a-history-of-violence-but-whats-the-motive/comment-page-1/#comment-3013</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Rathje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I meant Al-Qaeda.</description>
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		<title>By: Erika Rathje</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2009/12/27/a-history-of-violence-but-whats-the-motive/comment-page-1/#comment-3012</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Rathje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The al-Quaida in Yemen apparently said they will &quot;slaughter&quot; the Americans in revenge for the Americans killing civilians. I get that; they&#039;re angry. They have every right to be. But unfortunately they&#039;re extremists and decide eye-for-an-eye is the best way to react... and then the US reacts by clamping down security and decreasing even Canadians&#039; civil liberties. To this I ask: if your neighbour was threatening to shoot you and your family, would you put on a bulletproof vest and lock everyone indoors, or would you put on a bulletproof vest and try to talk it out? Admittedly the other party needs to be open to talking... but the American foreign policy seems to overlook the talking part on a regular basis. Didn&#039;t Obama say something last year about starting with peaceful talks?

I&#039;m simplifying this a lot but I think we must urge our leaders to look at solving problems instead of just preventing what appears to be inevitable chaos. I&#039;m sure they&#039;re laughing at our civil liberties infringements right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The al-Quaida in Yemen apparently said they will &#8220;slaughter&#8221; the Americans in revenge for the Americans killing civilians. I get that; they&#8217;re angry. They have every right to be. But unfortunately they&#8217;re extremists and decide eye-for-an-eye is the best way to react&#8230; and then the US reacts by clamping down security and decreasing even Canadians&#8217; civil liberties. To this I ask: if your neighbour was threatening to shoot you and your family, would you put on a bulletproof vest and lock everyone indoors, or would you put on a bulletproof vest and try to talk it out? Admittedly the other party needs to be open to talking&#8230; but the American foreign policy seems to overlook the talking part on a regular basis. Didn&#8217;t Obama say something last year about starting with peaceful talks?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m simplifying this a lot but I think we must urge our leaders to look at solving problems instead of just preventing what appears to be inevitable chaos. I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re laughing at our civil liberties infringements right now.</p>
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		<title>By: jnarvey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with you. Of course, the problem of perception is not confined to the media, because as you say it is difficult for even many well-educated people to comprehend.

The Islamist strategy is unique even among such homicidal ideologies as communism and Nazism. Their utopian (well, dystopian) world views at least made room for technological progress and the presumed happiness of the survivors once all their class or race enemies were murdered. 

In contrast, both technology and joy are anathema to the Islamists&#039; agenda. It&#039;s an inhuman ideology, in every sense of the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you. Of course, the problem of perception is not confined to the media, because as you say it is difficult for even many well-educated people to comprehend.</p>
<p>The Islamist strategy is unique even among such homicidal ideologies as communism and Nazism. Their utopian (well, dystopian) world views at least made room for technological progress and the presumed happiness of the survivors once all their class or race enemies were murdered. </p>
<p>In contrast, both technology and joy are anathema to the Islamists&#8217; agenda. It&#8217;s an inhuman ideology, in every sense of the word.</p>
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		<title>By: truepeers</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly right Jonathan. There can be no serious analysis of these acts until we come to terms with their morality, which is not just a question of how many may die in one or another attack, but of how many will have die to achieve the jihadi &quot;goal&quot;, which is to bring the global economy and civil societies to collapse so that Sharia-enforcing gangs and &quot;Caliphs&quot; can, as you say, pick up the pieces.  And among the billions who will have to die will be many Muslims because the kind of economy that can operate according to Sharia supremacism,  where dhimmis just will not work as productively as free people (and don&#039;t expect the Islamic warrior class to do much productive work), where all kinds of freedoms of exchange will have to be restrained, is surely something much less productive than we have today when we still worry about feeding projected future populations.

I suppose part of the media&#039;s problem is that it&#039;s tough to see how people are killing, or trying to,  for an almost &quot;Utopian&quot; ideal, i.e. to see that the Jihadis are not part of some national liberation movement in the familiar postcolonial vein, not agents on behalf of any existing state, or realistically-potential state, and not even on behalf of their clans or tibes, but that they are killers on behalf of an ideology that is so completely at odds with worldly realities as they exist today. If you really take the jihadis at their word you realize you can&#039;t appease them, you can only fight them; and that is truly scary, or incomprehensible, to to those raised in a climate of cultural relativism and pacifism. It is a hard reality that our essentially Gnostic population - who believe in some special knowledge that will end war, if only the special elect of &quot;good people&quot; are given power - will for a while yet seek to deny in various ways. Keep hitting back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly right Jonathan. There can be no serious analysis of these acts until we come to terms with their morality, which is not just a question of how many may die in one or another attack, but of how many will have die to achieve the jihadi &#8220;goal&#8221;, which is to bring the global economy and civil societies to collapse so that Sharia-enforcing gangs and &#8220;Caliphs&#8221; can, as you say, pick up the pieces.  And among the billions who will have to die will be many Muslims because the kind of economy that can operate according to Sharia supremacism,  where dhimmis just will not work as productively as free people (and don&#8217;t expect the Islamic warrior class to do much productive work), where all kinds of freedoms of exchange will have to be restrained, is surely something much less productive than we have today when we still worry about feeding projected future populations.</p>
<p>I suppose part of the media&#8217;s problem is that it&#8217;s tough to see how people are killing, or trying to,  for an almost &#8220;Utopian&#8221; ideal, i.e. to see that the Jihadis are not part of some national liberation movement in the familiar postcolonial vein, not agents on behalf of any existing state, or realistically-potential state, and not even on behalf of their clans or tibes, but that they are killers on behalf of an ideology that is so completely at odds with worldly realities as they exist today. If you really take the jihadis at their word you realize you can&#8217;t appease them, you can only fight them; and that is truly scary, or incomprehensible, to to those raised in a climate of cultural relativism and pacifism. It is a hard reality that our essentially Gnostic population &#8211; who believe in some special knowledge that will end war, if only the special elect of &#8220;good people&#8221; are given power &#8211; will for a while yet seek to deny in various ways. Keep hitting back.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You will never get decent media coverage of these events in Canada for the simple fact that decent media does not exist in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You will never get decent media coverage of these events in Canada for the simple fact that decent media does not exist in this country.</p>
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