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	<title>Comments on: No More Two-Track Middle East Policy From NDP</title>
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		<title>By: Judith Belton</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2010/06/15/no-more-two-track-middle-east-policy-from-ndp/comment-page-1/#comment-4334</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith Belton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will not be voting NDP nationally or politically largely because of what the NDP supporters/representatives seem to be knowing and/or not knowing about Israel. I sent a comment to Libby Davies about the BDS about six months ago and she never replied. I now think she has little between her ears and because she is supported by the NDP, I think the party, including my local representative (not Libby Davies), just does not at all represent the interests of my and my children! Sorry! No vote from me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not be voting NDP nationally or politically largely because of what the NDP supporters/representatives seem to be knowing and/or not knowing about Israel. I sent a comment to Libby Davies about the BDS about six months ago and she never replied. I now think she has little between her ears and because she is supported by the NDP, I think the party, including my local representative (not Libby Davies), just does not at all represent the interests of my and my children! Sorry! No vote from me!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hilborn</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2010/06/15/no-more-two-track-middle-east-policy-from-ndp/comment-page-1/#comment-3688</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Hilborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 04:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Misplaced?

I&#039;d rather to live in a country built on the rule of law than the rule of morality. Morality is always a personal thing, and one person&#039;s absolute good can easily be another person&#039;s hell.

I also prefer public debate to clandestine politics.

For example. 
The Christian Heritage Party - which is now largely dormant, thanks to its leadership&#039;s general support for the Conservatives  - once openly discussed plans to bring creationism to every Canadian school. Today, the debate has gone underground. That is bad for democracy. If any candidate believes creationism should replace evolution in the school system, they should say so.

Also, there are many Parliamentarians, from a variety of political parties, who would happily vote to reinstate the death penalty. In 1987, a free vote on the issue was 148 to 127 in favour of maintaining the abolition of capital punishment. All federal candidates should publicly state their views on this important topic. 

For democracy to flourish, public policy debates need to be held in the open. While it is okay for party policy to be hashed out behind closed doors, and for private people to have private discussions, it is not okay for public policy plans to be kept secret, and then implemented after an election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misplaced?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather to live in a country built on the rule of law than the rule of morality. Morality is always a personal thing, and one person&#8217;s absolute good can easily be another person&#8217;s hell.</p>
<p>I also prefer public debate to clandestine politics.</p>
<p>For example.<br />
The Christian Heritage Party &#8211; which is now largely dormant, thanks to its leadership&#8217;s general support for the Conservatives  &#8211; once openly discussed plans to bring creationism to every Canadian school. Today, the debate has gone underground. That is bad for democracy. If any candidate believes creationism should replace evolution in the school system, they should say so.</p>
<p>Also, there are many Parliamentarians, from a variety of political parties, who would happily vote to reinstate the death penalty. In 1987, a free vote on the issue was 148 to 127 in favour of maintaining the abolition of capital punishment. All federal candidates should publicly state their views on this important topic. </p>
<p>For democracy to flourish, public policy debates need to be held in the open. While it is okay for party policy to be hashed out behind closed doors, and for private people to have private discussions, it is not okay for public policy plans to be kept secret, and then implemented after an election.</p>
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		<title>By: jnarvey</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2010/06/15/no-more-two-track-middle-east-policy-from-ndp/comment-page-1/#comment-3687</link>
		<dc:creator>jnarvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dan, I do get your point, but I still think it&#039;s misplaced. It&#039;s not strange to say that some things are inside of the mainstream of political discussion and some things are not. 

For instance, in Canada at least, no politician is advocating in public for the implementation of Creationism as part of every high school curriculum, reintroduction of capital punishment, or cutbacks on nuclear safety protocols to save money. Now the BDS campaign is relegated to the same political wasteland. Sure, it&#039;s a free country and anyone can talk about this stuff if they want -- but what&#039;s the point?

If politicians want to talk about stuff outside of the mainstream on their own time in the company of close friends, they can go ahead. They just shouldn&#039;t attempt to confuse Canadian voters or their own party that their oddball views are actually official party policy. If they do bizarre stuff in public, they ought to be called out on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dan, I do get your point, but I still think it&#8217;s misplaced. It&#8217;s not strange to say that some things are inside of the mainstream of political discussion and some things are not. </p>
<p>For instance, in Canada at least, no politician is advocating in public for the implementation of Creationism as part of every high school curriculum, reintroduction of capital punishment, or cutbacks on nuclear safety protocols to save money. Now the BDS campaign is relegated to the same political wasteland. Sure, it&#8217;s a free country and anyone can talk about this stuff if they want &#8212; but what&#8217;s the point?</p>
<p>If politicians want to talk about stuff outside of the mainstream on their own time in the company of close friends, they can go ahead. They just shouldn&#8217;t attempt to confuse Canadian voters or their own party that their oddball views are actually official party policy. If they do bizarre stuff in public, they ought to be called out on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hilborn</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2010/06/15/no-more-two-track-middle-east-policy-from-ndp/comment-page-1/#comment-3683</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Hilborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was not trying to draw a &quot;moral&quot; equivalent, just a legal one. 

If boycotts, divestment and sanctions are legitimate tools against Iran, then a free and democratic country such as Canada must allow debate about using those tools against other countries, too. 

That&#039;s all I was trying to say!

BTW - Clandestine politics are the roots of dirty and corrupt politics. 
Political debates need to be held in the open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not trying to draw a &#8220;moral&#8221; equivalent, just a legal one. </p>
<p>If boycotts, divestment and sanctions are legitimate tools against Iran, then a free and democratic country such as Canada must allow debate about using those tools against other countries, too. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I was trying to say!</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; Clandestine politics are the roots of dirty and corrupt politics.<br />
Political debates need to be held in the open.</p>
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		<title>By: yankev rabkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>yankev rabkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This evil woman should resign completely from the NDP. Let her sit as an Independent backbencher just like Helena Guergis. For anyone to delegitimize a country that is a UN member --  like Israel --  from the day of its birth, is an act not of criticism but of vile slander. No political party in Canada should have such a member in its ranks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This evil woman should resign completely from the NDP. Let her sit as an Independent backbencher just like Helena Guergis. For anyone to delegitimize a country that is a UN member &#8212;  like Israel &#8212;  from the day of its birth, is an act not of criticism but of vile slander. No political party in Canada should have such a member in its ranks.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2010/06/15/no-more-two-track-middle-east-policy-from-ndp/comment-page-1/#comment-3677</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 04:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, she posted it 3 days ago. A full WEEK after she was aware that the video was posted. The blogger, from commentsfromleftfield.com, notified her office that he was uploading the video last Sunday.

She only apologized because she got in crap for it...and was forced to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, she posted it 3 days ago. A full WEEK after she was aware that the video was posted. The blogger, from commentsfromleftfield.com, notified her office that he was uploading the video last Sunday.</p>
<p>She only apologized because she got in crap for it&#8230;and was forced to.</p>
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		<title>By: jnarvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>jnarvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 04:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dan. Not sure if I see a moral equivalence here. Iran routinely brutalizes and tortures its own population (not to mention Canadian journalists). It openly calls for the destruction of a UN member state. It sponsors terrorist movements throughout the Middle East. Homosexuals are hanged from cranes in soccer stadiums. Frankly, boycotting a speech at the UN is the least Canadian officials can do. It also contrasts nicely with how Khomeinist supporters in Canada use threats and violence to shut down speeches by people they don&#039;t like.

As for Libby&#039;s apology, let&#039;s just say I&#039;ll believe it when I see some action to back it up. To paraphrase my wife, apologies without changing behavior mean nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dan. Not sure if I see a moral equivalence here. Iran routinely brutalizes and tortures its own population (not to mention Canadian journalists). It openly calls for the destruction of a UN member state. It sponsors terrorist movements throughout the Middle East. Homosexuals are hanged from cranes in soccer stadiums. Frankly, boycotting a speech at the UN is the least Canadian officials can do. It also contrasts nicely with how Khomeinist supporters in Canada use threats and violence to shut down speeches by people they don&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>As for Libby&#8217;s apology, let&#8217;s just say I&#8217;ll believe it when I see some action to back it up. To paraphrase my wife, apologies without changing behavior mean nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hilborn</title>
		<link>http://jnarvey.com/2010/06/15/no-more-two-track-middle-east-policy-from-ndp/comment-page-1/#comment-3675</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Hilborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 03:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boycott, sanctions and divestment are tactics used by many respectable nations.   Such as here:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/canada-to-boycott-ahmadinejad-speech-at-un-1.7371

Please note that Libby posted this on her website three days ago.

http://www.libbydavies.ca./news/update/2010/06/11/libbys-response-inflamatory-editorial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boycott, sanctions and divestment are tactics used by many respectable nations.   Such as here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.haaretz.com/news/canada-to-boycott-ahmadinejad-speech-at-un-1.7371" rel="nofollow">http://www.haaretz.com/news/canada-to-boycott-ahmadinejad-speech-at-un-1.7371</a></p>
<p>Please note that Libby posted this on her website three days ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.libbydavies.ca./news/update/2010/06/11/libbys-response-inflamatory-editorial" rel="nofollow">http://www.libbydavies.ca./news/update/2010/06/11/libbys-response-inflamatory-editorial</a>.</p>
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